Diabetes Care in Hospitals

2010 August 3

or How I learned to go with the flow.

So I was thinking about going back to FINALLY trying to talk about my trip, and reminisce about stuffing my face with Spanish ham but some of the responses I got to my post on my recent hospitalization, particularly over at TuDiabetes (I wish there was a way to combine my comments so everyone could see what everyone else was thinking) convinced me that there’s a lot of interest in discussing the way hospitals manage diabetes, and diabetics.

First, some more detail on my experience:

If you want the synopsis of what got me to the Emergency Room, you can find it here.  The diabetic portion of the story starts at around 8pm Sunday night (after being in the ER since noon, and not having my BG tested once by the hospital, though being monitored by me).  When I was being transferred from the ER to the OR, I told the OR nurse that I was diabetic and I wanted to make sure someone was going to be monitoring my blood sugar while I was unconscious, and also to make sure that no glucose fluids were put in my IV.  She asked how many times they had checked my sugar so far, and I told her none.  The surgeon came in to speak to me before I was taken to the OR, and I asked him about my diabetes.  He asked me what I took, and I told him Lantus and Humalog.  He asked when my last dose of Lantus was, and I told him around 11pm the night before.  He told me they’d give me Lantus after the operation.

Not my actual nurse.

I was wheeled into the OR prep room to meet the anesthesiologist.  I repeated my concerns about my blood sugar while I was under general anesthesia, and he asked some questions that made it clear that he was very well educated about diabetes.  We tested my sugar, it clocked in at 114, and he told me that since I was only going to be under for 90 minutes tops, that I would be fine.  I trusted him, and away we went.

When I was recovering back in my hospital room I had my first conversation with my night nurse (it was pushing 11:00 by this point) about diabetes.  She tested my blood sugar using a MALE (Most Awful Lancet Ever) and a big Accu Chek meter than scanned my hospital bracelet and test strip bottle (price check on appendixless diabetic in room 413!), and needed more blood for one test than I put in my Freestyle Lite in 3 days. I rang in at a respectable (all things considered) 168 (all numbers rounded to the best of my narcotically dampened recollection).  She disappeared to go consult her chart, and came back to tell me that she would be giving my 4 units of Humalog.

MALE: Most Awful Lancet Ever

MALE: Most Awful Lancet Ever

My normal correction factor is about 1 unit to 50 mg/dl, so, even in my drugged state, I was able to some rather frightening math that put my blood sugar at -40 in a couple hours, which sounded an awful lot like being dead.  I told her I’d like my 6 units of Lantus and maybe 2 of Humalog.  She disappeared to call the doctor. When she returned, she apologized, and said that the doctor wouldn’t change his orders.  I was on the “resistant chart” (out of sensitive, moderate, resistant) and so for 168, for my height/weight (I guess) I was supposed to get 4 units.  I could refuse it, but I could not get a different amount.  Really? A 6’6″, 180lb Type 1 is in the most insulin resistant category?  Sounded unlikely.

I refused it, and when she left the room, I gave myself one unit of Humalog from my own pen (I hadn’t thought to bring my Lantus with me to the ER, since I wasn’t expecting to stay at the hospital for more than a few hours).  She came in a bit later to tell me that if I gave myself any insulin, I had to tell them.  So I told her about the one unit.  She then took my wife (who was very kindly waiting with me until she felt the whole insulin issue was resolved) aside, and, with the help of the managing nurse (I’m sure there’s a more accurate term) gave her quite a lecture on why I couldn’t be giving myself injections there and how it made them liable for blah blah blah, to the point that my wife actually came in and took my kit with her when she went home, which would not normally be her nature to do.

I asked the nurse (who I should mention was very sweet and clearly feeling very conflicted about the position the hospital had put her in) to test my BG again about an hour after I took my one unit.  197.  Clearly we were dealing with non-standard insulin action post-surgery.  I decided not to do anything.  But at this point, I was more than 24 hours past my last dose of Lantus, so I knew that I had to have insulin within about 3-4 hours after I took my last Humalog.  As that moment approached, I asked the nurse again what my options were and if, knowing that I had given myself a unit already, they could give me 3 instead of 4.  Nope.

She did bring the head nurse in to talk to me, and I basically gave the most eloquent speech I could about how hard I’ve worked to learn about my disease, and treat myself, and how I only have myself to rely on for care 99% of the time and how good my numbers have been recently and how, of all the places I’ve devised contingency plans for (beach, airplanes, foreign countries etc) I never imagined that the place I’d have the most trouble would be a hospital.  In my mind, it was very articulate and persuasive, but I was on a lot of dilaudid at the time, and may have been drooling on myself.

I typed "dilaudid" into Google Images and this is one of the first results, so I'm using it. There is no connection to my story at all.

Anyway, they said they did not have the power to change doctor’s orders, so it was 4 units or nothing, but that they would monitor my sugar as often as I’d like. I asked if I would be given IV glucose if there were a hypoglycemia problem.  They said yes, or maybe crackers. The meter scanned my bracelet, I’d just had surgery on my abdomen, there was an IV already in my arm, and they were going to use crackers. I said I had to take the 4 units, because I had to have insulin in my system, especially as I was trying to heal from surgery, but that if they noticed my BG dropping rapidly, I wanted glucose, in my IV.  No crackers.  They said OK, and I took the shot.

Prescription Crackers

The irony (if you want to call it that) is that even with those 4 units, my sugar stayed pretty stable just below 200, which, normally would not be acceptable, but I talked with my endocrinologist the following morning, and he said that under 200 was ok, and that it was best not to fight with them about the insulin, since they weren’t going to change, and I needed them to do a lot of other things for me while I recuperated.

Anyway, I won’t go through step by step the rest of my luxurious stay in the hospital, which did include a meeting with a diabetic nurse specialist (who really knew her stuff and got me on basal, prandial, and correction insulin), and convincing the nurses to let me lance myself with my Multiclix instead of the MALE which was leaving big awful bruises on my fingers.  Still, I wanted to tell the story of the first night because I think many of us would have taken for granted that we would get good diabetes care (or at least be allowed to manage our own) while in the hospital.

I would love to hear what others experiences have been.

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  • http://twitter.com/Susan1175 Susan1175

    I am T1 and was recently in the hospital because I had chest pains (which turned out to be muscular due to some new exercises).
    Anyway, they put me in the cardiac department. They knew I was T1, but brought me pancakes with regular syrup for breakfast!

    The few times I have had surgery in the hospital, I insist that I wear my pump, and monitor my own BG, and have no glucose in the IV. I even have had my Endo talk to them to be sure they let me do what I have to.

  • alix

    I am so sorry you had to experience this, unfortunately this is not uncommon.
    In Dr. B's book on page 463, he has a sample letter to give to the hosp. I tweaked part of the letter and left blanks and keep it in our D supply bag in case there is every an emergency, if I remember, I will give it to the hosp.
    This post is an eye opener, thank you

  • http://twitter.com/mydiabeticheart Mike Durbin

    First, I'm sorry that you had to deal with that situation, and hope that your recovery from surgery is going well.

    I spent a few days in the hospital early last week, after showing symptoms of a heart attack. Ended up being another severe acid reflux attack, but considering I have congestive heart failure, I did the smart thing and got checked out.

    I'm a Type 2, and not on insulin at home, but my doctor left coverage orders while I was hospitalized to help keep my blood sugars in check. I was fine with that, and it did help. The only issue I had where that was concerned came when one of the nurses just assumed that because the word diabetes and insulin were in my chart, I had a regimen at home and knew how it do the injections, etc… She was rather dumbfounded when I told her I didn't, and got a little huffy and rude when I tried to explain my situation. That really didn't do much for my blood pressure, but I got past it.

    And as far as testing my blood sugar goes, I refused to let them do it. I did all of my testing myself, and told them what my numbers were. There was no way I was going to let them charge me for lancets, test strips, and each time they turned the meter on, when I had my supplies with me. Especially when all of my supplies are paid for by my insurance company.

  • http://badpancreas.wordpress.com/ Jacquie

    That picture just made my entire afternoon. So glad you decided to use it.

    I had all of my most recent hospital-y stuff done at Mayo Clinic, and my awesome CDE was in the next building over, so I didn't have any issues. Thank goodness.

    I have noticed that anytime a non-diabetic (nurse, doctor, man on the street) performs a finger lancin', they tend to jam the lancing device into the flesh. It's completely unnecessary, and I don' t have to tell you that it hurts like crazy. I always seem to have a finger bruise after I've had my bg checked by a nurse.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NDCSRUFJMGUB7ZSUK2OHIMLVQA Nancy

    Yup, that all sounds about par for the course. Add into the mix a hospital with one of the worst reputations in all of Chicago but is the closest one that the ambulance will take you, a doctor that won't believe that you had a seizure from hypoglycemia because by the time the ambulance got there, your husband had gotten your blood sugar up out of the basement AND nurses that don't speak or understand English well enough to realize there's a difference between HumaLOG and HumuLIN (I still to this day don't know which one they gave me)… OY. Oh, and there was also the time after giving birth that I asked the person who'd delivered my breakfast for extra creamer for my coffee and was told that she wasn't “allowed” to give it to me. It scares me sometimes to realize that diabetes is epidemic in this country but most medical professionals, outside of endocrinology offices or depts, have diabetes education that dates to the 70s. I haven't been hospitalized since I've been using a pump, so knock on wood that any future experiences will be somewhat different.

    Glad you're doing better and hope you continue to recover.

  • http://www.diabetesdaily.com/johnson/ Scott K. Johnson

    I have to admit that I'm scared about general diabetes management while in the hospital. I don't have any actual, personal, facts to go on, just a lot of stories. It's almost like we just want to do whatever we can to survive the hospital stay (how ironic!), and get back to our diabetes environment.

    I love the pictures you used in this post – they cracked me up! I too also wish there was a way to see all the comments from everywhere, you know, all together. That would make for some useful information.

  • Robin

    Hi there- I just discovered your blog and it's great!
    I unfortunately can really relate to your post… 6 weeks ago I got married (yay!!). The week leading up to the wedding my stomach was very upset, but I just figured it was jitters. Also, my blood sugars were running about 180-low 200s. And I also attributed it to stress. The day of my wedding I started vomiting and became more and more sick as the night went on, although my blood sugar stayed in the low 200's (again, I assumed it was all the excitement/stress). By the time the reception ended my husband asked if we should go to the ER- I wanted to go home and “sleep it off.” But when we got home I started having optical illusions and throwing up bile (sorry TMI!). Anyway, we rushed over to the ER and learned that after having had diabetes for more than 18 years, the first time I went DKA was me wedding day! It had been triggered by a mild stomach bug (remember that upset tummy the week leading up to the wedding?). I did not know it was possible to go DKA with blood sugars “only” in the low 200s (apparently you can if you begin vomiting/have a virus).
    Anyway the ER staff was wonderful- they did have me disconnect from my pump and put on am IV and all the electrolyte bags and by 4am I was back to 120- woohoo! They told me they needed me to stay for observation and eat something and make sure I stayed in range and then I'd be on my merry way. Also, they would be admitting me to do this. Sounded fine to me.
    I chose an omelet for breakfast and went to sleep. When I woke up 4 hrs later I felt sick…I checked my dexcom- omg- HIGH. I rang for the nurse and found out my insulin IV had been disconnected. I wanted the Dr- I asked him what in the world was going on? He told me “Most type Is are on injections so I did not realize you use a pump…” “I was like really, it isn't 1985! Why didn't you ASK me what my regime is???” Anyway- after about 2 minutes he stormed and said “You can just sign out AMA.” Wow- what @ss!!! Within minutes I was vomiting again- I was back in DKA…and thankfully immediately transferred to the ICU. They were amazing in the ICU and even let my terrified husband stay with me all night. I was brought back in range very quickly and released early the ne next morning. My ICU Dr said they have problems with the general part of the hospital…My regular endo wants me to write a follow letter to the hospital….
    I am so angry that I missed the first day of my honeymoon because of all this. And the bills are insane- why should I have to pay for that night in the ICU? It was the hospitals fault I ended up there!

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  • hospitals

    I read your post. it is very useful info for me because I am also diabetic so it help to me for fight with diabetes.your information is most important not for but all human because the diabetes is spending.thanks for help of human

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